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Wrath of m0o · May 19, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Is the Terror Tank in the group to make the run faster, or so the Terror Tank can go off and solo all the Enemies that drop ecto.
I have been in a few UW HM groups that say the Terror is there to make the run faster, but from my experience..the terror tank goes off and solo's all the mesmers himself, that have a high rate to drop ecto.
Now if im joining this group to do all the stuff he cant do, while he solo's all the ecto drops just so he can open the chest at the end, i think this is a sham.
Im not wasting my Con sets so some guy can solo farm.
Whats you opinions on this?

evilseabass · May 19, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

First, its "Terra" Tank, as in Earth Tank.

The Terra Tank is there specifically to make the Four Horsemen quest go smoothly. The Terra Tank sits on one side and holds all the mobs while the rest of the team cleans up the other side. After the other side is clear, they all come over to the Terra Tank and kill the mobs there.

Note that the Terra Tank doesnt actually kill anything while holding the mobs in place...

For the rest of the UW run, the Terra Tank should be using Arcane Mimicry to copy Ursan from another player. The Terra Tank should never be off alone farming...

miskav · May 19, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Though there are some variants to the classic terra tank build that enable them to do the ice king quest and clear bone pits aswell.
Those tanks tend to get a few ecto's on the way, but no more then usual.

natural_Causes · May 19, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Lol @ Terror Tank.

On topic, the tank should be with the party the entire time. Like seabass said, he/she is there for The Four Horsemen, and normally copies Ursan from others. Sometimes, they will bring Sliver Armor and one of the Crystals spells, in order to solo some of the Mindblades, making the run go faster.

Covah · May 19, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Terra tank also can solo 2-3 of the quests, which speeds up the run. Someone sounds jealous that an ele is getting ecto and he isn't.

The Red Messenger · May 19, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09

I recently did a HM UW run with 3 ursans, 2 terra tanks, 2 HB monks, and one SB monk.

first, we cleared the path for one so he could solo smites, and ice king quest

then, we cleared the way for another so he could clear the chaos planes and get ready for 4 horsemen. the terra tanks moved on to other solo'able areas after they cleared the first ones.

the 3 ursans only had to do like 3 areas, and then finish the quests to get the reward chest.

did the terratanks get more ectos? yes.
did we mind? no, because we all can solo UW with the right buid if we want ectos, and get em faster. we were there for fast end chest.

Terratanks have an advantage on these teams, but it requires more skill and practice, which ectos are the reward for =)

englitdaudelin · May 19, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

I was in a guild group that did a full UW trip, and we had 1 terra tank who DID solo one or two area, and who DID get more drops than the rest of us (individually--i.e. I got 2, people got 3, terra tank got 5-6). I believe that the terra will get more, because he's off the radar, so loot that drops in his radar will end up...going to him. I could be wrong, though.

It certainly did shorten the run to have him go off by himself--maybe by more than 1/2 an hour.

We decided that the fair thing was to total the ecto, pool it, and divide as evenly as possible. We got lucky: 24 total ecto, 8 people, 3 ecto each.

This worked a) because we're guildies, and b) because we're all grownups who want each other to have fun. This wasn't agreed upon before the run, but we saw that one player got just one ecto, from the chest, and one more got just 2. It seemed, to the group, a fair way to share the wealth.

So, no, not a scam. But if you're looking for equality....one run with randomized drops certainly won't give you that.

So if you're really bothered by the inequality in ectos...maybe explicitly make that compromise before leaving. You don't want a loooooong run without a terra (see Red Messenger's last line, above, too)...and the terra would like the rest of the group to help clear and get the chest. Win win, fair deal, all that.

Lord Sojar · May 19, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34

A scammer eh? No, they solo the bone pits and mindblades. They save the rest of the party a lot of time. Terra tanks have a difficult job trying to stay alive, one mistake and they are deader then a doornail. To me, this appears to be a jealousy thread, and shouldn't exist.

Nightow · May 19, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

A scammer eh? No, they solo the bone pits and mindblades. They save the rest of the party a lot of time. Terra tanks have a difficult job trying to stay alive, one mistake and they are deader then a doornail. To me, this appears to be a jealousy thread, and shouldn't exist.

Agreed, they "pull their weight" and help your team reach their goal sooner.

/thread

Cyb3r · May 19, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Wrath i'll say it this way good luck to do it without the terratank have fun.

Oh and ya don't need either ursyblessing nor consets to do it but to be honest speeds it up so much even for the one's used to clearing UW.
That you must be nuts not to take it with you, sadly it also makes alot of the game boring in my oppinion after a while

Alex the Great · May 19, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

try doing 4 horseman without a terra, AS A MONK!

seriously, all the migrains are bad enought when SB runs out, more mods will screw you up bad

Th Fooster · May 19, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

DUDE i TOTALY understand your point!

My solution is, when i run groups the terra tanks pay the cons. or boot. i dont caree how leet they are, its only fair to the group.

I run a terra tank alot, and i can aford cons. esp when i clear uw in 30 minutes! There are too many terra tanks out there that go farm the chaos planes BEFORE they do thier job, witch it so solo bone pits, or smites quest, or pools, or the horsemen quest.Regardless too many terra tanks take advantage of thier posiion, and farm like madmen at teh groups expense and get a chest at the end as a bonus! so yeah! make terras pay the cons.

On the other hand not every terra tank is like this.In general terra tanks are not scammers. and they do earn thier keep in the party. IF they do what the group needs them to do FIRST. not last.

These terra tanks that jsut use groups to get past ataxes and then run off to farm, they eventualy get known for that crap.Gives teh good terras a bad name! ESP since i use 3 of the dam things, thats 1 con set every 3 runs.
UW should be profitable for everyone. THe main group dont get half the ecto drops terras do. YEt they do all the crappy areas that dont drop s#$@!

This inter dependance is resolved in making the terras pay the dam cons. and if you find a terra tank thats decent, and a team player, keep him.

Terra tanks earn thier share, but thre are more ways to skin a cat. and the four horsemen is possiblee without a terra. just harder. so if you come up with a substatute to a terra(since there are scrubs out there that do jsut use groups to farm and couldnt care less about sucess)
then please share your alternatives! and maybe that will keep a few scrubs honest.

i bet every one of the people that defende terra tanks ARE terra tanks defending thier little niche!
terra tanking is EASY and any clown can learn it. esp with my guide i made with videos! and there are alternatives...

Slayer Z · May 19, 2008, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Yeah because someone soloing some of the "hardest" parts of the UW for you is a scam and adds an 30-45mins to your run.

DarkGanni · May 19, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Make a Terra Ele then and you can do it too. Case closed.

- Ganni

Esan · May 19, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

"Terra tank" is an idiotic name. Geomancer sounds so much cooler.

Wrath of m0o · May 19, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyb3r

Wrath i'll say it this way good luck to do it without the terratank have fun.

Oh and ya don't need either ursyblessing nor consets to do it but to be honest speeds it up so much even for the one's used to clearing UW.
That you must be nuts not to take it with you, sadly it also makes alot of the game boring in my oppinion after a while

FYI..
The Terra Tank is NOT needed to complete UW. It can be done completely without. Dont need ursan either, it just makes it faster. Now i understand mabe that this was a build in the beginning, that stayed with the group, but now seems to be a solo farmer in diguise, so that he can rob noob teams of one of the most profitable areas of UW.

lol, good luck without it.
I can do it with hero/hench

evilseabass · May 19, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

FYI..
The Terra Tank is NOT needed to complete UW. It can be done completely without. Dont need ursan either, it just makes it faster. Now i understand mabe that this was a build in the beginning, that stayed with the group, but now seems to be a solo farmer in diguise, so that he can rob noob teams of one of the most profitable areas of UW.

lol, good luck without it.
I can do it with hero/hench

Please let the rest of us in on your technique...I've been playing the game over 3 years now and still cant figure out how to get the henchmen into UW...

Wrath of m0o · May 20, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Srry, i was thinking of Duncan, i do alot of stuff in GW's with hero hench, but me and one other human did UW with hero's 2/6.
Missions like this is where heo's shine most, because they never leave you on long missions.

kazjun · May 20, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52

I guess they might get more ectos than the party. But should you really care? If it's ectos you want, go solo or two man. The only reason to party is to get a quick clear for the chest.

Cyb3r · May 20, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

No wrath i meant a decent terra chips of alot off of you're time, a bad one well yeah that's like a monk hero bad energy refill so no healing so overall bad = kick out of the party

Oh and while i'm an ele as main i don't like the people that give ele's an overall bad name, i like the one's that come up with inventive builds for use in GVG (where i'm still a new guy/other PVP is another thing tho

)

Never had trouble running a terra tank or any other config in the UW been in there plenty of times and yes you can do that quest without terratank (if i'm in my ele i won't be the tank cause it's boring to death) and about ursan i find it boring after a while fact is it speeds up the whole game times ten since it's uberoverpowered think that says it all.

And about the scamming terra's well i suggest ya kick em out of the party or ya do the trick fooster said, but i had plenty of bad encounters with pugs (also some good ones, but the bad still outweigh the good

(imho when i find a good pug the whole pug ends up in my buddy list which is overcrowded atm to be honest)))

So most of the times i tend to run through those areas together with my guild or with people on my friends list and i find ya allways should devide the loot nicely like some other guy showed in here. And yeah i maybe gave out the wrong words in the previous post but was bussy doing admin work for a clan i'm also member off, so my apologies for that one